Some thoughts I've been having over the past couple of days about Young Earth Creationism (YEC) and a universal flood.
Here's a thought: It doesn't matter if you're a young earth creationist, old earth creationist, framework theory advocate, analogous day theory advocate, mature creationist, some modified "warp" creationist, etc., by the time you get to the flood all distinctions really are made moot. That is, if you believe in a universal flood.
See, if you believe in a universal flood, whether or not the earth has been around some billions of years makes no difference. Why? Because working under the assumption that we can estimate when the flood happened, we would see that the counter goes back to zero in terms of created things. The earth's been around for millions of years? Doesn't matter, only two of each kind of animal is preserved (and seven couples for the clean ones).
Now you have to argue that microevolution can work so quickly as to account for all the life forms we have to day in such variegated locations from the flood until now, which is VERY little time. This means that the microevolution you embrace really is not that much different from macroevolution (e.g., ape to human) since it entails such great change in so little time. Thus, you're not that far from theistic evolution. So belief in a young earth creation and a universal flood actually nearly becomes a "defeater" to one's rejection of evolution (in a sense).
Hrmmmm....as of now I affirm a universal flood but I find it extremely scientifically deficient. Still, if Scripture teaches it I would have to somehow trust God about it.
But I've also reflected on the idea of a local flood and I do find it intriguing. Consider:
1) When we say that the flood covered the earth, we think of the modern conception of earth like that big globe we see in NASA pictures. Also, we generally know what the "whole" earth is (like the whole sphere and all the land and water on it).
2) This was not the way the ancient Hebrew pictured the earth. For them, "earth" was below, much like a plain. Also, "earth" was that spatial region of which they had knowledge of.
3) So for the Hebrew to say that the flood covered the whole earth and killed all the animals and all people really could be interpreted to say that this is certainly true from the recorder's point of view.
4) How far had people and animals spread out at this time? Remember that Babel hadn't even happened yet so God could have conceivably judged "the whole earth" with a local flood.
5) What are we to believe about the aftermath of the "universal" flood? That in about 4,000 years animals multiplied from two of each kind to what we have today? That somehow many different types of fish survived (did they not die in this judgment?) and "microevolved" to such an extent that they occupy the deep sea in really fascinating environment with incredible adaptations?
6) Apart from saying "miracle" to every minute question about the universal flood (which itself can also get tiresome), there seem to be only flimsy attempts at defending such an event.
I'm not too sure what to think about this at this point. But what's great about this is that it does not form my bedrock of faith and thus will not hinder my spiritual walk in any way. There can be legitimate disagreement here and there but, as in many cases, I will withhold judgment until I have much more information.
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Sam,
I prefer the bearded Jesus that's ready to party! And if I recall you and Mig went back and forth on the issue some years ago. More so, I've seen Gleeson Archer defend a flood (don't recall which one) with some pretty good evidence. There is even a book out there that deals with a local flood that happened in the area at the time. You'll have to look at it. I'm not entirely sure where I stand. Right now I have to deal with the subject of gay christians for one of my readers!
Mig and I still go back and forth about this (haha) though not as much. When you say that you saw Gleason Archer defend some type of flood do you mean in an article or a book? You think you can remember where you saw it? Thanks.
What about gay Christians? Are you going to post on it soon?
Have you been following on he gay stuff? Yeah, it will be a pretty good presentation I put up. As for the flood, it's on old testament introduction
Good post.
Have you any ideas about the theory stating that two separate narrative sources of the Noachian flood have been fused into one? And should it be taken that you see the caononical account as one singular, consistent story?
You say that your faith is not affected by your research. Out of curiosity, is there any concievable piece of information that actually would shake your faith? It obviously doesn't appear to be shaken by disregarding conservative notions of evolution and inerrancy.
And you can find at this address a webpage created by a prof I had for a class on Evolution and Creationism at CSUF. It is a collection of academic websites related to the topic of the flood. http://nsmserver2.fullerton.edu/departments/chemistry/evolution_creation/web/#25.%20THE%20NOACHIAN%20FLOOD
Hey Jason, thanks for letting me know what you think.
I haven't heard of the theory you're talking about but I've considered it as I read the text. I just didn't think it was very important as to whether or not the event really happened unless one wants to try to point out inconsistencies ending up in a denial of the event. Yeah, I pretty much kind of do see it as one canonical story. My views try to take redaction and other factors into account however.
There are things that would shake my faith, but knowing those at this point are kind of hard. Not very long ago, evolution and inerrancy did shake my faith which is why I'm so passionate to find answers and clarify concepts. What happened is that I really had to ask myself, "what is the bedrock of my faith?" I had to identify the hills worthy to die on and which weren't.
So I guess, the fundamental issues would have to be philosophical, as surprising as that sounds even to myself right now. My views on Scripture and God all revolve around my philosophical grasp of his revelation and Scripture. There aren't many interpretational issues that would shake my faith because they don't form the bedrock of my belief in God.
Thanks for the website, I'll check it out. If you're around here again, I'd like to know what you think about all this.
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